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"WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe" (wesbarton89) 09/10/2015 at 11:14 • Filed to: None

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So, a new ancient species has been discovered, known as the Homo naledi , or “Star Man.” It’s very human like, and is one of the biggest evolutionary discoveries in recent years from what I understand.

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They apparently had a burial ritual for their dead, much like we do today. To me, this is incredibly fascinating and cool, and a big day for science. Do you believe it? Yes or no? Why or why not?

For Sweden > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:18

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What did they drive?

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > For Sweden 09/10/2015 at 11:19

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LongbowMkII > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:19

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sounds like they have a lot of work ahead of them.

For Sweden > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 09/10/2015 at 11:21

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Can we bring them back?

Party-vi > For Sweden 09/10/2015 at 11:21

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Considering their possible use of rudimentary tools, something equally as simple to understand and maintain. Probably 1998 Honda Civics.

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 09/10/2015 at 11:21

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Duh.

Party-vi > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:22

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We’re assuming they buried their dead because lots of them were found in the same location in a cave system. It’s not so far-fetched when you think about how humans have had burial rituals from now stretching back to thousands of years before written history.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:23

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caesar? I find stuff like this quite interesting, my only gripe is the fact it’s a known thing burials weren’t solely a human thing. Neanderthals buried their dead

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > For Sweden 09/10/2015 at 11:25

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http://bringatrailer.com/2015/09/09/ute…

they still walk among us

Sam > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:25

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People are still going to keep claiming that evolution is false and that Earth is only a few thousand years old.

You should’ve felt the tension when I had my very-Christian parents watch the first episode of Cosmos.

Also, looking at the reconstructed image, there are a lot of similarities to the facial structure of both African and Asian people. Pretty cool, really.

Noah - Now with more boost. > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:27

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Very cool! Just read about this on BBC news this morning. Why wouldn’t I believe it? What do scientists get out of announcing this kind of thing, aside from a little fame within their community and *maybe* a grant or two? I think the only people who have any business being skeptical are their jealous colleagues (with big brains and enough knowledge to discern the truth) and whoever decides to give these people accolades. Sounds like a ritual burial site to me! These finds are sketchy when someone thinks one example of a skeleton they found is a new species, but here we apparently have an entire floor full of bones, where each bone is represented well. A very cool find!

Sam > Party-vi 09/10/2015 at 11:27

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I think this is the earliest empirical evidence of burial, however.

ttyymmnn > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:28

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Fascinating. I think they need to get some geologists in there to figure out how much the cave may have changed over 2 million years. Just because it’s really hard to get in there now doesn’t necessarily mean it was as difficult back then. But yes, this is huge.

DrJohannVegas > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:28

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Oblig.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:29

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I think it’s really amazing. It’s really cool.

Party-vi > Sam 09/10/2015 at 11:29

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What I’m getting at is, if we have seen burial rituals previously in human history, it would make sense that our ancestors did something similar.

LongbowMkII > Noah - Now with more boost. 09/10/2015 at 11:30

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the scale is the most unbelievable part.

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > Sam 09/10/2015 at 11:34

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If I had cable or internet at home, I’d be watching the heck out of Cosmos. Also, yes, there are the radical creationists that believe all that. I was reading through CNN’s story on this, and the Facebook comments made me shake my head and facepalm. Believe what you want to believe, but please always keep an open mind that what you may believe as pure fact, may not always be. The one person, ironically enough, commenting on a Facebook post, either with a phone or computer, stated that science could burn and all science was fake. I guess communication through stone tablets have really advanced then? Technology isn’t science anymore, who knew.

But not to derail, this is so awesome. I’m definitely going to keep up with this.

EL_ULY > ttyymmnn 09/10/2015 at 11:35

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run flat tires!

EL_ULY > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:35

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homo

My citroen won't start > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:37

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I believe in everything that is backed by scientific evidence.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > EL_ULY 09/10/2015 at 11:38

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Still not as good as homo erectus.

Wacko > Party-vi 09/10/2015 at 11:41

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I was thinking more LADA

Leadbull > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:44

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I'm not educated enough in this field to have an informed take.

coelacanthist > For Sweden 09/10/2015 at 11:44

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Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 11:46

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It may not be an ancestor, it it just as possible that it is just another failed branch. Still cool discovery though.

BigBlock440 > Sam 09/10/2015 at 11:47

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What does this have to do with evolution? It’s just another extinct species.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 09/10/2015 at 11:48

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Or possibly preserving their food by puting it in a cool dry place....mmmmmlong pig jerky!

BigBlock440 > Noah - Now with more boost. 09/10/2015 at 11:49

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The article I read had someone saying it wasn’t a new species, just an older version of a previously discovered species, so there’s still disagreement.

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > Leadbull 09/10/2015 at 11:49

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I’m not really educated in it either. But, it still interests me enough to learn more.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Sam 09/10/2015 at 11:50

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I had the same experience watching the original Cosmos with Carl Sagen, way back when. Maybe I’m weird, but I’ve never seen a problem with both sides being true.

Sam > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 09/10/2015 at 12:00

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I have no problem accepting that some form of a divine being may have incited the Big Bang, because nobody actually knows. And probably never will know,

Evolution on the other hand, has far too much empirical evidence to be denied. There are still a few things about it we really don’t know for sure, of course. And again, we probably never will know for sure.

duurtlang > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 12:09

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I don’t have a big take on this, despite being a biologist. Haven’t read about it before you posted this. I wonder to what extent this discovery is really a new species, assuming it is if it’s just another failed branch on the tree or if it’s an ancestor of something much more modern (us?).

forgeryfade > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 12:19

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It is pretty interesting. I personally like the stories behind the finds more than the finds themselves. Through their books Donald Johanson and Richard E Leakey have become men to idealize. I’m pretty sceptical that the bodies found were buried intentionally. 2 to 3 million years ago would be insane to say they had such thought as an afterlife with such small brains. It’s a provocative headline but I think the media is running away with that claim more than the anthropologists probably intended.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 12:35

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There’s only one Starman.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Party-vi 09/10/2015 at 12:36

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Could also be the first genocide in human history.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > DrJohannVegas 09/10/2015 at 12:38

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There’s only one Starman. Let all the children boogie.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Sam 09/10/2015 at 12:39

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Real Cosmos or Pluto-hating Cosmos?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 09/10/2015 at 13:06

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Well, that’s a happy thought. Seems like what we now call genocide would have been par for the course back then, however...

jariten1781 > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 13:08

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It was published in eLife . Doesn’t mean it is not valid, but they have a relatively low bar compared to most journals. I’ll reserve judgment on whether it's actually revolutionary for a bit, but new finds are always cool.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Sam 09/10/2015 at 13:23

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Yeah. I’ve never been one to deny evolution. I just view it as another tool of the creator. He wanted his stuff to work without him having to be bothered with making a new design everytime it didn’t....Evolution fills that role. It’s a self repairing, self correcting system.

RallyWrench > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 09/10/2015 at 13:36

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Absolutely fascinating, in fact.